The Meat Mafia Podcast

Speaker 1: 00:00

Welcome back to another episode of the Meet Mafia podcast. On today's episode of the podcast, we are doing another mafia moments, which is when we go back throughout the entire history of the show and pull out these valuable nuggets of information that we just wanna go a little bit deeper on. So on today's episode, we have on Kevin Stock, who is personally one of my favorite guests that we've ever had on. We had him on for episode number 163. And one of the things you'll notice about Kevin is that he is a great experimenter.

Speaker 1: 00:36

He is the type of person who is constantly tinkering with diet, fitness, lifestyle, and he truly embodies this beginners, learners, first principles mindset when it comes to health. And from my perspective, that gives him a very valuable lens into the world of health and wellness. So Kevin himself is a doctor. He's a dentist, practicing dentist. And one of the things I loved about this episode was the fact that we got to dive deeper into all the different things that he's experimented on.

Speaker 1: 01:09

So if you do go back and listen to that episode, you'll hear him talk about his nutrition philosophy. And very similar to me, he tries to simplify, but also optimize. So you'll hear him talk about how he experimented with a diet that was purely ground beef and raw milk. I've done the same, and this is a total aside from what we're gonna talk about for the rest of the episode. But in terms of simplicity and maximizing for nutrient density, I can't really think of 2 foods where you can get both time savings and, just the best bang for your buck.

Speaker 1: 01:43

So that diet has worked incredibly well for me. It's something that I do semi regularly. I mean, sometimes I do it on accident. I just order a bunch of raw milk, incredibly and then all mixing a pound or 2 of ground beef per day. And honestly, it allows you to operate from a place of strength where you're not spending a bunch of time buying food.

Speaker 1: 02:04

You're not spending a bunch of time thinking about food. The taste is incredible and you're getting all the nutrients that you need. So that is a total aside from what we're going to be talking about here on this episode, but thought I would throw it out there because it's something that he talks about in his full length podcast with us, which I highly recommend you guys go in and listen to. Another thing about Kevin that is worth noting before we get into this, he is also an entrepreneur. He came out with a product that I think when we recorded, he actually hadn't released the product, but it's called the NED And it's a sleep product that helps you reduce sleep apnea and snoring.

Speaker 1: 02:40

And the reason that I mentioned this is because I think it gives a better perspective into who Kevin is and how he is such a beginner first principles, tinkerer. He's the type of person who wants to explore all the different areas of health. And I just, I really appreciate the way that he, he goes about trying to learn more information about health and wellness and is never fully complete in his thinking. He's always learning. And so I truly appreciate his insight, and we're gonna dive into some of the sound bites here from the original podcast.

Speaker 1: 03:12

But one other thing to note about Kevin, he's also a bodybuilder. So he has this informed perspective on fitness as well. The dude is absolutely jacked and truly takes incredible care of himself. So I think that he just brings a very full perspective on health. And the fact that he practices dentistry to me is very fascinating because when I think about some of the most groundbreaking pieces of content that have come out when it comes to western diets, I can't help but think about Weston a Price who himself was a dentist.

Speaker 1: 03:47

And for those of you who don't know Weston a Price, he came out with the book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. And this is a book that at the time was incredibly valuable in providing insights into how our nutrition is actually changing our biology. And what Weston a Price did was he went and studied the oral health of indigenous tribes throughout the world. So he has this book where he shows a number of pictures of the oral health of different tribes throughout the world and what their teeth look like when they're eating a nutrient rich species appropriate diet versus what their teeth look like when they start to incorporate western, western diets. And you'll notice that a lot of times this, if, if you look at the book, you'll notice that the physical degeneration of the mouth in particular, our, our jaw structure, our teeth completely changed through what we're eating.

Speaker 1: 04:54

And I think it's a really unique insight into nutrition, and it allows us to see just what's happening on a larger scale when we think about the food quality that we're eating and how that's really become a a generational problem at this point where the food that we've eaten over the past several decades has changed so much in terms of the percentage of highly processed ultra processed foods that we're eating that don't really have the nutrition. And we've really fooled ourselves into thinking that we're getting this nutrition from certain foods. And, one of our most recent mafia moments episodes, if you guys wanna go back to that was with Mark Schatzker, who wrote the book, the Dorito effect. And the connection here is that in the Dorito effect, he talks about nutritional wisdom and how flavor scientists are manipulating our taste buds in a way where the flavor of food is supposed to be indicative of the nutrient quality of the food that we're eating. And what's happened now is the flavors of certain processed foods are hyperpalatable.

Speaker 1: 06:06

They make us wanna eat more, but on the back end, there isn't that nutritional value. So what we've seen over the past several decades is this popularization of industrialized heavily ultra processed foods that are hyperpalatable, and we've seen the degeneration of our health come in a number of ways, whether it's the rise of obesity or the rise of chronic disease, the rise of mental health issues, depression, you know, you name it. There's so many canaries in the coal mine and things that it seems like we're just, you know, ignoring and looking the other way. So I wanna get into this episode. Don't wanna waste too much more of your guys' time, but one of the clips that I found fascinating from this episode was with Kevin Stock, the dentist, is this clip that I'm about to share with you guys where he's talking about his dental care routine.

Speaker 1: 07:03

And one of the things that Kevin talks about is the fact that if you're eating a mostly meat based diet, you actually won't even have to brush your teeth. And I think that's worth pausing on for a sec because the fact that a dentist is saying that is uniquely interesting. So from Kevin's perspective, if you're eating a standard American diet, you're gonna need to go through the standard oral cow routine. You're gonna need to be brushing your teeth because the high levels of sugar, the other factors that diet plays in tooth mineralization, And it's it's really a fascinating take for a dentist to be saying that he essentially will just brush his teeth without any toothpaste when he's eating an animal based diet, because he knows that he doesn't necessarily need to be worried about cavities because the nutrients from the food are actually promoting the tooth health and the tooth actually isn't being affected by the sugar that's corrosive and dangerous for all of the different, reasons in terms of like plaque buildup and just the decay of the the tooth in general. So his perspective here is fascinating.

Speaker 1: 08:16

Can't wait to share this clip with you guys. So without further ado, Kevin Stock.

Speaker 2: 08:22

Yeah. It's a it a 100% depends on the diet. So a standard American diet, they need to really be brushing every morning. They need to brush at night. They probably should use, like, a fluoride toothpaste or a hydroxyapatite toothpaste, something that's gonna help remineralize the tooth that they've been destroying all day with the stat standard American diet.

Speaker 2: 08:37

Mhmm. They should be flossing. So they should be doing, like, the standard care because they're doing the standard American diet. Like, we kinda talked about earlier. Someone that, like, was raised on meat and they only eat meat.

Speaker 2: 08:47

Like, you don't even need to brush your teeth. Like, you're not gonna get decay. You can, like, brush off the biofilm if you want, but even that's probably not necessary for like, to keep your teeth healthy. What I do is I'm gonna lose my dental license soon when I keep talking about what I do for oral care. But I, I

Speaker 1: 09:06

But you quickly have white teeth, so whatever you're whatever you're doing works

Speaker 3: 09:09

It's working. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 09:11

I, so I have an electric toothbrush. I do recommend electric toothbrush, that gets rid of a lot of user error. So I use an electric toothbrush, Oral B, I like. And in the morning, I just use water and Oral B quick brush and done with that. In the evening, I use a comically small amount of toothpaste, which is basically just to brush off any stains because I am currently drinking coffee.

Speaker 2: 09:34

I take that in and out of the diet, but I'm currently drinking it. So I'll use some toothpaste in the evening if I got a little stains. You know, this is just vanity reasons for using the toothpaste. Not so much of trying to remineral mineralize the teeth because if I'm not eating any carbs, there's probably not much that needs to be remineralized. So, yeah, that's what that's what I do.

Speaker 2: 09:53

I do floss at night because of habit and maybe a piece of meat got stuck in the teeth during the day or something like that. So I do floss, but that's, that's my standard protocol.

Speaker 3: 10:06

Are you particular about the type of toothpaste that you're using?

Speaker 2: 10:09

It drives people crazy, but I'm not because I use such a small amount that my what I don't like about fluoride is that we're drinking it day in and day out, day after day, week or week, month after month, year after year, decade after decade, which I think can have long term consequences. So I don't like drinking water all the time, but a tiny amount of fluoride in my toothpaste at night that I'm going to spit out, I'm not worried about that. A lot of people Yeah. Will worry about that. I'm like, I don't think that's I'd put your worry somewhere else.

Speaker 2: 10:34

So, no, I actually just use commercial CrestProHealth is what I tend to like. And some so I'll have usually some fluoride in it because you almost can't get toothpaste without fluoride. There's special brands you can get without fluoride, but I'm not really concerned about it. It'll have some kind of peroxide in it to help with, like, the stain removal. But, yeah, I'm not really particular.

Speaker 2: 10:54

If it has, like, a little minty flavor, maybe that's beneficial. My girlfriend's over or something. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 10:59

Alright. I just love that clip so much. There's something about the fact that, you know, these paradigms that we exist in, the things that we've normalized, we don't really think twice about it. And so the fact that oral care has become such a massive industry, There's all sorts of, practices and principles that people live by when it comes to oral health, but when it comes down to it, nutrition is the most upstream aspect of oral health. And if we're eating the right foods, we should just essentially naturally have very good oral health.

Speaker 1: 11:37

So something to keep in mind. I think it's a thread worth doing a little bit more research on. I'll drop some resources in the show notes for you guys to do that. But just wanted to share that because I think it is a paradigm shifting statement that Kevin dropped there, and this next piece of the conversation is completely different. So very soon after we talked about Kevin's oral care routine, we dove into coffee.

Speaker 1: 12:01

And what I found interesting about this conversation with Kevin Kevin talking about coffee is the way that he thinks about overall health and the way that our habits are driving a lot of health outcomes. And what I mean by that is Kevin is very aware of the things that he's doing on a regular basis that could be over a long period of time, additive or subtractive to his overall health. And one of the things he was saying is that he is a coffee drinker. And it's one of those things that a lot of times people overlook the fact that they're drinking coffee every single day, and they're not really thinking about the quality of the coffee that they're drinking. They're just getting the caffeine.

Speaker 1: 12:49

And sometimes the flavor benefits of having the coffee as part of their, their ritual, their morning routine. I get it. I am a coffee drinker myself, but one of the things that Kevin talks about is if there was to be something wrong with the coffee beans that you're eating or sorry, drinking like mold toxicity, which if you don't, if you're unaware, nearly 50% of the commercially available coffee beans contain. Auctoxins a and aflatoxins, which are just two forms of mold that have very negative health outcomes. And I think it's important to note that this is more of a paradigm shift and an idea to be aware of, not something to fully bash on coffee.

Speaker 1: 13:39

And I think that what Kevin's getting at is be aware of the patterns in your life that could be additive over time, and coffee is just one of them. This is a daily routine for most people. And if you're drinking the wrong types of coffee that have mold exposure to them, you might actually be doing more harm than good. So some of the symptoms that you might run into if you are drinking coffee that has mold exposure is headaches, dizziness, anxiety, irritability, and stomachaches. And that can those symptoms can show up 12 to 36 hours after having exposure to coffee that has mold toxicity or mold in it.

Speaker 1: 14:16

Some of the reasons why coffee is very susceptible to mold is the climate that they're grown in is usually incredibly humid. You're not gonna be seeing coffee beans grown in Scandinavia or northern countries. They are all countries that are by the equator that have very humid climates. And so that water exposure is a key component of mold and just the climates alone can create an opportunity for mold toxic molds to, attach themselves to the coffee. And then additionally, processing the coffee, some of the heat aspects and elements of the coffee making process from a roasting perspective can also be a mold activator.

Speaker 1: 14:59

And then one of the other aspects of molding coffee is the shipping. So one thing that people don't really realize or think too much about is the fact that these coffee beans are sh are shipped all across the world and they sit on shipping containers for weeks at a time. And these coffee beans are often stored in cellulose bags and cellulose is a natural fiber, but those natural fibers typically, if they get wet, they can attract mold and that mold seeps into the coffee beans. And then if so facto, you are drinking that coffee not too long after. So just something to keep in mind.

Speaker 1: 15:38

I think this is a great clip, and I think it's, again, another shift in perspective and just something to be mindful of. I will tune back in after this clip. But without further ado, Kevin, stop.

Speaker 3: 15:48

Do you have any recommendations for, for caffeine and coffee abusers like myself that struggle to mix it in and out of the diet? Because I feel like I'm like, that's probably the only vice that I still have is I'm probably, like, 3 to 4 cups a day, and I just really struggle to pull it out.

Speaker 2: 16:03

Yeah. So I I say, like, 50 years from now, we look back and be like, what's the worst part of my diet? I'd be like, it was the coffee. Like, that's what I worry because when we eat something like, if I went and had some ice cream right now and it's a one time thing, one time assault on the body, whatever, it's fine. Coffee is one of those things day in and day out.

Speaker 2: 16:22

Like, so if it is having a little bit of a negative effect, we may not notice it for, like, 3 decades down the road, but maybe that was the problem. So I don't think coffee is a health food. So I I just start with that. I do think so I I see it the same way as you do. I see it as one of my vices.

Speaker 2: 16:38

I like it as, like, just a visual kind of thing to be I have next to me that I can sip on while I work. But if you did wanna quit, which I do like to bring it in and out to see if it makes difference. And I do recommend other people do the same, because I can't tell you how many people I've talked to that they did all this stuff right, and then they removed the coffee and that made all the difference. Like, lifetime of migraines disappear. And especially people that suffer from headaches, I'm like, are you drinking coffee?

Speaker 2: 17:01

Why don't you try with it? Get getting rid of that for several months and let me know how you go. Like so it can make a big difference for people. But when I cut it out, what I do is I do a several step prod. I I, I don't rip the Band Aid off.

Speaker 2: 17:14

I I I, slowly pull the band aid off. So I start with, decreasing the amount of grounds that I would use. And then sometimes I've done in the past, I would add a little bit of decaf to the grounds before it's, like, just I'm actually just drinking decaf, so there's no caffeine withdrawal then at that point. And then it just I stopped drinking it. And usually, I recommend, like, what I would do is replace it with something else like bone broth, because just the the body habitually doesn't like to give up things.

Speaker 2: 17:43

It would rather replace things. So replacing it with something else that you would rather drink instead.

Speaker 1: 17:50

Alright, guys. I hope you guys enjoy this episode with Kevin Stock. Again, if you're interested in listening to the full episode of the podcast, which I highly recommend, this guy is just full of knowledge. Go to episode 163. It's a great conversation, one of our earlier episodes.

Speaker 1: 18:05

And one thing I I just have to say before we get off here, Kevin really does a great job of articulating a lot of his points, and I think a lot of them are very nuanced and against the grain. So if you're looking for some more paradigm shifting information that you might just wanna be aware of, go listen to episode 163. Kevin is full of these types of tips and tricks when it comes to health. We also dive into some of his sleep hygiene habits. So if if you're looking to boost your sleep, go listen to that full episode.

Speaker 1: 18:39

And then last but not least, I just wanna make this known. We have a Telegram group, and this Telegram group is just for the listeners of our podcast. So if you're a daily listener of the Meet Mafia podcast, go check out the Telegram group. It's in the show notes. We've got a bunch of great people in there.

Speaker 1: 18:56

And what I love about this group is it gives us access to our listeners who love the show. It also allows for our listeners to come into contact with other listeners of the show, share recipes, share inspiration, share information. It's fantastic. The group is still relatively small, so we would love to have you there. Alright.

Speaker 1: 19:18

We will see you guys next Monday.