MAFIA MOMENTS: Anti-Inflammation Diet with Ali Miller
Download MP3Meat Mafia. Welcome back to another episode of the Meat Mafia podcast. On today's episode, we are doing another mafia moments, which is when we go back and take some of our best clips from episodes from the past. So we are going back to our episode with Allie Miller, and she talks about a low inflammation diet. And in this clip, you guys will get to hear her talk about her philosophy around nutrition, some of the tips and tricks that she uses in order to master her diet lifestyle.
Speaker 1:I think she is potentially one of the best guests that we've had on on breaking down the science. She's had Paul Saladino on her podcast. So she is incredibly well versed about talking about these topics and really just an enjoyable conversation. So I hope you guys enjoy. But before we get into it, I just wanna get a quick shout out to 2 listeners in our Telegram group, Sharon and Rufus, who are just crushing it.
Speaker 1:They're taking what they're learning from the podcast and applying it to their life. They have both had radical transformations from the podcast and just taking information and applying it to things that they're doing, and it's so encouraging hearing listeners have transformational stories. So Sharon, Rufus, keep it up. You guys are crushing it. And the rest of the Telegram group, you guys are all great.
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Speaker 1:It'd be great. So if you're a a regular listener on the show, go join that Telegram group. I will link to it in the show notes. And without further ado, Allie Miller.
Speaker 2:I practice what's called functional integrative medicine, which is kind of like a bridge between the 2. Functional medicine can be done in the allopathic world. You don't have to have a naturopathic background. But in this sense, we're still looking at an interconnectedness of systems versus isolating the body into you know, standard allopathic medicine has a cardiovascular doctor or a OBGYN or an oncologist for cancer or an osteopath for bone, etcetera. When we look holistically with a naturopathic or functional approach, we're really trying to understand the biofeedback of the body as a system, versus different disconnected parts, if you will.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. We're also seeking the root cause of why, not just what. In standard, you know, medical today, we're really chasing these what are called ICD tens or diagnostic criteria numbers because this is the industrialized medical machine of America. We bill based on ICD tens. So when we're giving someone a diagnosis of Crohn's disease or of PCOS or of, hypertension, you know, these are all coded and then measured with an algorithm, generally speaking, you know, because that's how the system works of interventions and a 1, 2, 3 step process.
Speaker 2:So hyperlipidemia, you know, first line of defense is they'll tell you to watch diet and lifestyle without giving you any legit guidance, and then they're gonna slap you with a statin drug and then, you know, it progresses on from there.
Speaker 4:I realized I think I just absolutely butchered your opening because I think I said allopathic versus naturopathic.
Speaker 2:It's okay.
Speaker 4:Well, you didn't correct me. I I appreciate that. Listeners, naturopathic, not allopathic.
Speaker 2:It's okay.
Speaker 4:One of the things that was really interesting to me is you had mentioned that you would you were going plant based. You're going through all these hurdles, different types of supplements, different types of products just to try and hit your micros and your macros, and you develop Hashimoto's and then also anxiety as well. Mhmm. How quickly did you start to notice those symptoms dissipate when you started incorporating really nutrient dense, like, snout to tail foods like you called them?
Speaker 3:You know, quite quickly. And and I I started the supplementation really protocol at the same
Speaker 2:time with the ancestral diet. So I would attribute equal the biochemical response as well as the, you know, whole food support in there as a synergy. But quite rapidly, especially in the world of, like, neuropathy. I had really bad neuropathy. I had clinical b twelve deficiency as well.
Speaker 2:And so I would lose the sensation in my fingers and toes. I would step out of the shower. And I have Raynaud's syndrome, which is another circulatory condition in the Pacific Northwest. Not fun when it's cold and clammy all the time. And so for instance, I couldn't feel my feet stepping out of the shower sometimes or I'd be driving and I'd lose sensation of my my fingers.
Speaker 2:And then neuropathy was the first thing to correct. I would say maybe even prior to that would be a sense of satiety versus chronic hunger and the influence of blood sugar balance and, ketosis as a secondary component to help me feel grounded. So in my book, The Antianxiety Diet, I actually use a ketogenic diet as the foundation of that program because I really believe very strongly just as we are made to be omnivores, which is its own conversation, right, of, like, plants, meat, etcetera. I I I think of plants as a hormetic stressor for the body, but that's an interesting conversation itself. But I believe just as important as as we have a meat centric yet omnivore diet, just important to be a hybrid machine not using just glucose, but having the access to ketones.
Speaker 2:And I think that a big driver of chronic disease state is that we've lost the ability to use ketones as fuel. Ketones are lower in ROS or reactive oxygen species, less oxidative stress when we burn ketones as fuel. We get better oxygenation and oxygen recovery and respiratory rate when we're making ketones. We actually enhance our t cell function of our immune system when we're making ketones. I mean, it goes on.
Speaker 2:And and as far as the mood impact, ketones cross your blood brain barrier. And so the mechanism in which ketosis serves epileptics or epilepsy and seizures, that ketone body actually grounds and interacts with epinephrine or adrenaline, that fight or flight chemical surge, which would create a panic attack, for instance, in an individual or a grand mal seizure in someone that deals with that as a health consideration. So when ketones reduce that epinephrine surge, they also up regulate their what's called gabernogenic. They up regulate GABA. And GABA is this awesome neuropeptide that can actually enhance cognitive function.
Speaker 2:We've seen in studies it can enhance academic performance. It helps us get in the zone. So, like, when we're shooting free throws, GABA's gonna be elevated. Mhmm. But it's also anxiolytic.
Speaker 2:It's like what releases the steam train of the stress buildup or that fight or flight surge. GABA kind of alleviates that fight or flight response. So I think when we get into more of an ancestral pattern of eating and when we reduce carb obsession and we bring our blood sugar down to be able to make ketones, that that has a very grounding effect. Some people will call it a keto high, and so they get improved energy. But I think the cognition in brain is because of less oxidative stress and that GABA and epinephrine shift that we see on our neurotransmitters.
Speaker 3:How, how many or so take us back like 60 years ago. What would have a normal person's ketones levels have been like before we had this massive shift in the food system? Like, do you ever think about that? Like, how often were people in, ketosis or state of ketosis?
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 3:Even if it's a mild state
Speaker 2:Well, in babies. Today. So babies in utero, when you're carrying a baby, your baby is producing ketones. Right? Regardless, actually, of mother's diet.
Speaker 2:Now if mother has severe gestational diabetes, it's possible. I mean, just crazy blood sugar imbalance, it's possible that that baby would be robbed of ketones. But generally speaking, even if mom just has a standard American diet, that baby is producing ketones.
Speaker 3:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:And then breast milk itself still produces ketones for that breastfed baby. And so, you know, our body again is wired to have this hybrid function, and that's what allowed us to fast and have more food scarcity without dying or having extreme hanger and blood sugar dysregulation and irritability and, you know, whatever would have happened in tribes during those times. When I think back I mean, 60 years, I think it might have even had to precede that because now, goodness, I know think it might have even had to precede that because now Yeah. Goodness. I know.
Speaker 3:Isn't that weird? I always think, like, 60 years
Speaker 4:and put us back to the forties, but we're
Speaker 2:in 2,023. Yeah. And so, I mean, I know that there's a lot of, footage, for instance, of, like, beaches in California or downtown New York City in the 19 twenties, 19 thirties, and, like, everyone is metabolically fit.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:And, of course, we look back on records of butter consumption actually was higher than current. Right? Well, maybe not now in our field, but, you know, was. And then, you know, even sugar was not so high. But what we really see is when we started to recommend those 8 to 11 slices of bread in the mid eighties and then into the nineties and when we made an obesogenic crop.
Speaker 2:You know, when we made short dwarf wheat, and we started to hybridize our gluten production or our wheat production, we created an obesogenic crop. And that's because in World War 2, we were too thin to fight. Now we're seeing those that are individuals that aren't able to make draft weight because they're unfit to fight due to obesity, the other end of the spectrum. So we funded governmentally, you know, what types of things would pack on pounds. And then we recommended these as health supporting optimal eating approaches for the country.
Speaker 2:And then we just watched the, you know, obesity epidemic really explode. And in conjunction with that came diabetes and other all cause mortality.
Speaker 4:Such a good answer. It's amazing hearing you just explain the science of ketosis because it just seems so intuitive. It seems like it makes so much sense. But it seems like with women in particular, low carb and keto is, like, somewhat of a contentious conversation. Like, we've had on, different types of female guests, and one camp is, like, very similar to you, like, proketosis, pro fasting, pro animal products.
Speaker 4:And the other group is still pro animal products, but they do not like fasting. They think that women need carbohydrates.
Speaker 3:And I feel
Speaker 4:like you have a super interesting perspective into that, so I'd love to explore your thoughts there.
Speaker 2:I think that's a great question. So I don't have I wouldn't say I'm in either camp. I would say that I'm, like, the Venn diagram of camps in that
Speaker 3:sense. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I've done both for myself, and things have worked differently in different seasons. So I kind of call it I think of the allostatic load, which is basically the amount of stress that we're able to take on without exploding. I mean, in in layman's terms, it's an easy example to say it. But allostatic load is your stress threshold without the body having an adverse response. Okay?
Speaker 2:And so if we think of our allostatic load, our stressors that we wear or hold could be endogenous, meaning inside the body. This could be Epstein Barr. This could be Lyme. This could be an endogenous stress from Candida or yeast overgrowth or dysbiosis. So something can be a stressor physiologically that we are the host of.
Speaker 2:Right? We can also have stressors based on our activity and performance. So our physical activity can be a stressor. We all know depending on what type of HIIT training or what type of, ways we're maxing ourselves that can be a hormetic stressor. Sauna, cold plunges.
Speaker 2:All of these, we would say practice what's called hormesis, which means that the stressor itself yields a beneficial outcome. But when stacked on too high, and what I typically see here is the calorie deficient mom who's underslept, so doesn't have ample sleep, over caffeinated, and then an amp like, an ample calorie intake. Right? Calorie insufficient. That trifecta of too much caffeine, too little sleep, too high of stress, and then, I guess, malnourishment, that individual will not do well fasting.
Speaker 2:And they likely will be in a state where ketosis will kick them over that threshold. They still wanna go super low glycemic and maybe make more, like, trace amount of ketones, but they're not gonna be someone that's gonna be doing really well with, like, a 2 point o of a BHB read in their blood. Mhmm. You know, you need to really kinda figure out, I say, liken it to ladies in your wardrobe, like, if you're changing your fall season, you have to pull out your summer. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So for some people, that means that they have to give up fasting to go keto. For some people, that means that they have to bring their exercise down from a spin class to gentle walking and yoga to get more parasympathetic so that the body feels safe with another stressor, whether that is restrictive eating based on time, time restricted eating or fasting, whether that is shifting metabolically into ketosis, whether that is, you know, a new lifestyle support. Again, that's a positive add on, but we wanna make sure that that threshold is considered. So for some women, I recommend doing a fat fueled fast, especially those that are dealing with low hormone. So let's say a woman that's lost her menstrual cycle and is high stress, we need ample fat.
Speaker 2:We wanna be more fat fueled in that case because fat is necessary for steroidal hormone production. So in order to make progesterone and estrogen, etcetera, we need fat. So maybe doing, like, a tablespoon or 2 of olive oil on a plate with salt in the morning and then still adding more fat like, full cream to your coffee, blending in butter, and then using a blend of different higher fat cuts of meat for that individual would be very therapeutic. And if they're missing their cycle and their low hormone, we need to feed them more as well so that the body feels safe. And that connects to a hormone called leptin.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you guys have dug into that at at all, but leptin is a hormone we think of as a satiety hormone. Mhmm. In the Greek language, it translates to the word thin. And leptin, when too high, can drive leptin resistance. It kinda mimics insulin resistance.
Speaker 2:So an individual that has more body fat will have leptin resistance. As they start to use fat as fuel or burn their reserves of fat, they'll start to get more leptin sensitivity. And that leptin docking will give them satiety, and that's what helps with that keto high and maintaining, like, that not having to white knuckle your diet. You know, being able to take your kids to get ice cream and being like, well, that's not on my program. Moving on.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:But if leptin is resistant, you're gonna be white knuckling your diet. And so for individuals that have leptin resistance, they need to fast. They need to allow their body to get into that deep freezer reserve, and they need to create that sensitivity again by restrictive time, restrictive eating, and really shifting and lowering their fat. For those that are low leptin, their body's saying, we're not fed. We're not safe.
Speaker 2:So a low leptin individual has to actually fat fuel. They have to not fast, and they have to carb cycle with their keto. And that's kinda the caveat there. And so if you run low leptin or you're that's the person that's the high stress, you know, lower percent body fat or optimal percent body fat, extra exercise, and maybe not enough calories, there's someone that we have to kind of fix that leptin deficiency and help the body to feel safe again so that it can get back to balance. Otherwise, the body's in chronic survival, and that can create other imbalance in the body.
Speaker 2:If it's not shown through low progesterone, it'll be shown through insomnia or anxiety or something else of the liking. So needless to say, some women need to carb cycle. Some women need to fast. Some women, like perimenopause or postmenopause, I'll put on a protein sparing fat because they don't need that extra fat fuel for hormone production. We're actually trying to maintain their muscle as they age.
Speaker 2:So, you know, it just kinda depends on the priorities and the base point of that individual.
Speaker 4:Different strokes.
Speaker 2:Totally. Totally. What,
Speaker 4:what would be the best way to actually test your leptin levels to understand if you're low leptin or not?
Speaker 2:So you can run a serum level. It's a blood a blood panel.
Speaker 4:Blood test. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:I include it in an advanced cardiometabolic panel that I run. So we include things like LDL oxidation, beyond LDL particle size. So looking a lot deeper into cholesterol profile, for instance, we look at CRP in that and homocysteine, which is a marker of methylation for people that are MTHFR, or we're looking at vascular inflammation as a risk factor. Homocysteine is another marker of Alzheimer's disease, and so it's good to get that. And then, I look at leptin and adiponectin as the metabolic markers there.
Speaker 2:So adiponectin regulates, you know, more of your brown body fat, more metabolically active, and then that leptin has that influence on, like I said, metabolism, mood, etcetera.
Speaker 4:Awesome.
Speaker 3:How often do you see someone come in who's eating enough fat and enough healthy fats still have hormone problems?
Speaker 2:So I'll see some people that are eating too much healthy fats. So again, this doctrine creates disconnect. Right? Like, they jumped into keto. They're still making their 500 calorie keto coffee in the morning.
Speaker 2:They've stalled on their weight loss. Right? They're not moving their body enough to be in a net caloric deficit. And so, you know, even though calories aren't king, I always start with, is it a whole food? And then, you know, looking at the quality of the food itself and, you know, what is it providing our body.
Speaker 2:But at some point, you have to consider caloric density to get metabolic outcomes. So some people that are eating too high of fat will be in that state then of all of a sudden they were leptin sensitive, now they're leptin resistant. And now, you know, we need to actually pull that down, level that dial down a little bit to start to get results again.
Speaker 3:Interesting.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 4:What is, what is a typical, like, 24 hour eating window look like for you?
Speaker 2:In this season. Right?
Speaker 4:In this season.
Speaker 2:So right. So we're talking and it's, like, 106. And so I eat differently, truly based on the weather. I'm really someone that tries to stay connected to my environment and our circadian rhythm. So I'm all about sunrises and sunsets as much as I can witness them.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's the best infrared light that you can get out there. And, I mean, it's so powerful. Yeah. Anyway, so, you know, when it's really hot, I like to eat colder and I like to eat less. Whereas as it starts to get into real fall, I'll start to do more, like, stews and more, like, slow cooker dishes, more broths, etcetera.
Speaker 2:Today, I kicked off my morning with bone broth. And so I don't do what would be called like a naked or a pure fast. Mhmm. So when I have bone broth, you know, I'm getting about 20 grams of protein. I'm getting glycine.
Speaker 2:I'm getting glutamine and gelatin. And I'll add salt on top of that. I did fond bone broth, this morning. So I'm getting a good 20 grams of protein, you know, within 30 minutes of rise or an hour of rise. So it's not true fast.
Speaker 2:Now I would still say that, likely, I'm in a state of autophagy because it's a 120 calories. It's not like a 600 calorie meal. Right? So, again, that's kinda that not getting myopic or tunnel vision. You have to adjust dials.
Speaker 2:So I'm starting with broth even though it's hot. And then I did an iced, green sensha tea with collagen peptides in there, 2 scoops there. And then I did the trick that I mentioned, the olive oil on the plate with salt. Sometimes, and especially in the winter season, I do a lot more dairy. In the summer, I don't tend to do as much dairy.
Speaker 2:It just doesn't resonate with me as much other than, like, cold raw milk. But, that was the start. And then I had a smoothie kind of a total liquid diet I'm talking about today. But, then I had a smoothie because I was rushing and threw in greens and ginger and ground flaxseed and put in, like, quarter cup of raspberries and, like, a quarter cup of frozen mango and, full fat coconut milk and a splash of raw milk, so kind of a blend of the 2 milks. Blended that on high and did a scoop of, grass fed whey, a non denatured grass fed whey.
Speaker 2:And then, tonight, I'll probably have, like, a rib eye and some roasted brussels sprouts and a glass of red wine. And that's the night.
Speaker 1:Alright. I'm hungry. Yeah. So, like,
Speaker 4:nice and simple during the day, like, light on the stomach, still nutrient dense, and then dinner is when you're really gonna let it rip and have, like, a really nice hearty meal.
Speaker 2:Yes. You know, I'll do, like, a cold protein salad if that was prepared, and I I'd I'd sometimes prefer that over a smoothie, of course. But if I'm in clinic or between interviews and I don't have time to chew, I really do try to honor that idea that the body, when it's in that sympathetic fight or flight response, is not in a prime digestive state. So the things that I can do to mechanically predigest my foods, like sip on a nutrient dense smoothie, for instance, during those windows can be very health supporting and less digestively stressing. It's less work for my body to do to assimilate those nutrients.
Speaker 2:Otherwise, I would double down on a digestive enzyme if I was doing, for instance, like a truffled egg salad. That's another thing I rotate regularly on romaine cups. I do a vibrant chicken salad with chicken thighs and like a, you know, paleo mayo and a bunch of, scallions and cilantro in there and some, apple julienned in there with some pecans. And so if I'm chewing more of a dense protein, I'll usually add digestive enzymes midday. Whereas in the evening, I might not need that as much because I'm kinda chill and back into parasympathetic, you know, watching the sunset, that kind of thing.
Speaker 3:It seems like the bone broth in the morning is one of those, like, cheat code types of, hacks that you can incorporate into your, like, diet lifestyle. Because it's light, it has protein, and it stay safe stay safe you.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:In so many ways, gives you electrolytes. Like, I think that is such a great piece of advice.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. And in the evening, you know, especially if we're getting back on structured eating and we know that we got we have some sort of, like, hanger pain or craving, I think sipping on bone broth is really great. And bone broth will also support that GABA response, which can get you into that kinda mellow brain space, help you wind down in the evening.
Speaker 4:The food that you're making just sounds, like, just so vibrant, like, I would imagine, that it almost it it almost makes me increase my energy thinking about it. And the reason why I'm saying this is, like, we've talked we've talked a lot about the carnivore diet on the show. We talked about it on your show.
Speaker 2:Right. And
Speaker 4:there is absolutely a time and a place for it. Yeah. And for me, when my gut gets inflamed, red meat, bone broth, salt, butter, I'm good in, like, a week. But I also feel like I don't know. Some like, the the concept of, like, just eating meat and salt all the time, it just seems almost like dead where, like, the way that you're describing, like, ginger, scallions, like, fresh mayo.
Speaker 4:Like, it all it's I don't know. There's just, like, this vibrance to it. And I don't know the science behind it, but I would imagine, like, there's something about that that probably intuitively just makes your energy more vibrant too.
Speaker 2:There is. You know? So right. The the color wheel, if you will, that's one of the goals that my 7 year old daughter, we have when we pack her lunch is, you know, pick 3 colors because that's going to provide us more phytocompound or antioxidant. And, you know, I think that, yes, in different season, again, like, so I'm doing more raw salads, more crisp veg in the summer, and then in the winter, more roasted, like sweet potato, butternut squash, more warming seasonings like cumin and chili powder and that type of stuff, because it's just more grounding and and feels more seasonally appropriate.
Speaker 2:But I do think that switching it up is really helpful, and and it kinda comes back to that concept of, hormesis. And so I've had Paul Saladino on my podcast, and we've we talked quite long at length, you know, about how he'll call it a plant toxin and how I call it a hormetic stressor. So if you want to call it an anti nutrient or a plant toxin, that can be appropriate language, and this can be referred to you know, there's there's always a continuum or a good, better, best, I believe. And I think that we both kind of think in that sense of something like a lectin in, gluten may be not worth it cost to benefit because we also know beyond the lectin presence, which can destroy gut lining. Right?
Speaker 2:That the gluten itself can actually interfere with our zonulin, which will disengage our, you know, gut tight junctions, which will drive more of a leaky gut response to anything we're eating at that said meal.
Speaker 3:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:But if I look at something like curcuminoids, in turmeric or if I look at something like, you know, the impact of broccoli sprout and, some of the superfood research we see with superoxide dismutase enzyme pathways. I think it's nondebatable when we've looked at, you know, placebo controlled, clinical trials of eating studies of saying that this individual ate this amount of grams of this thing and that their body produced more glutathione. You know, glutathione is our master antioxidant. So vitamin c would be like the the little baby, and then in the middle is, where we'd see, like, co q 10 and selenium. And and then cysteine, a lot of people know about NAAC or n Acetylcysteine, is just one below glutathione.
Speaker 2:And glutathione being the master antioxidant means that it is going to reduce oxidative stress the most efficient in the body. And so if you back, you know, pedal to pandemic time, we actually saw well, vitamin d status is, of course, important. But glutathione, was really a superstar nutrient. We saw that it was most directly inversely related, with basically based on your glutathione store. If you had clinical deficiency, that you had higher risk factor of mortality or death.
Speaker 2:We were using nebulizers in, protocols for, respiratory protocols. And NAC, will reduce, mucus in the lungs. And we know that, you know, glutathione actually has an inverse relationship with all cause mortality. So this includes cancer. This includes any form of autoimmune condition or any form of inflammatory response.
Speaker 2:Now, again, if if someone says, well, but there's an anti nutrient and there's oxalate in turmeric, I say, if I eat turmeric and it makes more of this, which we know is good, then I say good. Does it do does it make my body make glutathione because it stresses it? Possible. Just like if you're lifting weights and you're tearing your muscle to repair it.
Speaker 3:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:You know, so is that a toxic response to tear your muscle, or is it a beneficial response to gain the beneficial outcome?
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:And that's kind of where I I use plants, as a hybrid approach and the idea that, yeah, I agree there could be some anti nutrient effect. That's also what's antimicrobial and what can support keeping our gut on track. That's also what, again, will support our body in actually producing antioxidant, that stress response.
Speaker 3:It has to be different for everyone, but where do you kinda draw the line in terms of balancing between the hormetic response that you'll get from vegetables or from eating plants versus those not as hormetic or no hormetic beef beef products?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So, you know, one thing that we look at is, of course, gut integrity. So for an individual that has inflammatory bowel disease, I put them on a tight carnivore diet myself. And I start with a 5 day bone broth fast, and then I slowly bring in proteins. And I actually tend to bring in fish before beef just because it's a softer protein.
Speaker 2:It's easier when we're at such an ulcerated state. But I bring in beef as the second protein protein right away. We tend to go for, like, mechanically ground first, again, easier to assimilate and absorb, and then we kinda work our way up into steak and, short ribs and those types of cuts and such. But, you know, animal products are really important, of course, because they aren't inflammatory. They don't challenge.
Speaker 2:They don't stress the body. And so for a healing protocol, I find them to be absolutely essential on their own. And then when the body's resilient so for instance, if I'm watching calprotectin as a marker in inflammatory bowel disease, Once I get calprotectin levels in an area of 60 or under and we're in a remissive state, we'll start to then challenge plant matter. And then I would listen to that individual. I might even use an MRT test, which is a blood test that, looks at inflammatory mediator response in the body.
Speaker 2:So it's not like an LCAT IGG panel. It actually looks at cytokines and prostaglandins, basically, the fancy words for inflammatory chemicals that your body manufacturers to battle something. And so I'll use that as, like, a GPS for the individual to guide them on what plant matter is going to be less inflammatory and then what they would likely do best with. But I don't have a direct goal. Like, for some people, incorporating just chopped scallions, and some cilantro and, you know, shaving in some ginger root in, like, a quarter of a teaspoon is a great entry point, and that's fine for some people.
Speaker 2:That's enough of a plant based stressor or, you know, driver of antioxidant capacity. For some individuals, I'll say, how do you feel about bringing in tea? Let's play with rooibos. And so it's just kind of where everyone's at. And there's some people that will do very, very limited and or lots of seasons with no plant.
Speaker 2:And then there's some that will do, you know, a higher amount where they're getting 5 cups of, you know, veg on a day and and they're doing alright.
Speaker 3:So your fear there is that if you're not getting those, anti nutrients in your diet, then the response to those anti new anti nutrients becomes less resilient?
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