The Meat Mafia Podcast

Part 2 Audio

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When you talk about coaching people to double and triple your income, I couldn't think of a better proof of concept than you yourself.

It is a very peculiar thing that i'm doing that you have three jobs It's not a really sustainable way to stay triple employed.

Here are five steps I took to go from 80k to 390k in a single year.

I spent a year interviewing 200 interviews, probably 20 iterations of my own resume.

It's definitely helping these people learn how to tell a story with confidence of what they're capable of.

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How do you go about listening to what you actually want, you know from a year from now? Like what does that process look like?

How do you think through the big dreams the big goals because I think for a lot of people if they're stuck It's very hard to see the big vision if you're in motion and building something sometimes you can get Like reoriented in a different direction. So it's always good to just have some sort of process of like, you know What do I actually [00:01:00] want out of out of life, you know?

Yeah, really great question For me, I think it's listening to my intuition, but also Being willing to know that it can and will change over time and I hope it does because I'll have a new information and I'll Grow and I'll become different and I'll have new people in my life So I think taking the pressure off of it knowing it will always change is super helpful because I'm not making it this like really hardcore thing that I'm deciding.

Um, but I really do think it just comes with the reps because I feel like I've gotten more connected to my own intuition and my own clarity through just like drilling it out hundreds of times basically. I have a little bit more of a tactical question with how you spend your time during the week and the three of us are kind of similar where it's like you have three uh, part time gigs and then we have three businesses too and something that I struggle with is just understanding Like, how do I blend working on these three businesses together?

So I'm curious for you, like, will you work on three business? Like if it's Monday, will you work [00:02:00] on all three businesses or do you bucket like certain days just to focus on one thing? I'm just curious how you spend your time. Yeah, it is interesting for me because I feel like they're all a bit different.

Like the jobs that I have, it's the name of the game is just do what I need to do and do it well, but like not too much beyond that. So that ends up being just okay. When I got to find time to get those deliverables done, I will. But for me with my business, that's like my passion. That's what we're growing.

That's why I try to, I'm personally optimizing for how do I pour as much energy into that as possible while keeping the lights on and all the other things I'm doing? Yes. Um, so I guess that's one of the first things is just conceptually thinking about, um, where's the optimal allocation of my energy.

Cause if I didn't think that through, I might just spend way too much time answering random emails that I could probably get away with not dealing with for a while. Um, And I think like one thing that I find works insanely well for me is structuring my day Even my relationship with like my body and fitness throughout the day So I like to break up my day into [00:03:00] three chunks Of like do something active in my body that resets me and then like three to four hours of work So morning usually 5 6 a.

m. I'll get a workout in and then i'll be like really cruising till 11 a. m 11 i'll go do a hot cold session cruise to like five or six and then do another sauna And for me, I find that's probably like the best hack that I found worked really, really well for me. So I do think like diminishing returns on trying to force things out.

If I'm not in a good, like. Psychological state so you like earn those three chunks So one workout in the morning and then two sauna sessions kind of broken out throughout the rest of your day Yeah, and I think the the important mental model with you too is like with these these three would you call part is part time jobs?

Fair they're full of full time jobs. Like these are not your passion projects Like you're you're not like I'm going a hundred percent at all of them I'm going to do my job well enough to keep the check coming to keep things flowing and then funnel a lot of that into your coaching business, which is ultimately the passion.

And I would imagine that's what you want to be doing full time down the road, right? Absolutely. Yeah. So for me, it [00:04:00] is that journaling exercise or that clarity exercises one, I just am so lit up by getting to coach and have that human relationship with people and getting to see them like break through that limiting beliefs and actually like double or triple their income is so fulfilling.

Um, Transcribed So it's really hard to get excited about the other stuff when that feels so good. But then it also, yeah, and it's that bigger vision. So I'm willing to spend my time on these things because I see what that extra income coming in, how it can be dispersed and funneled into the business for now and help us keep growing.

But also, yeah, long term clarity on, it's actually more about these things. And I also think it's really important, like, do a really good job. Even though I'm doing it, even if I'm not super excited about it, Deliver really high quality work while I'm doing it. Yeah, have you thought through what it will look like going from working the three jobs?

To just focusing on the coaching stuff full time like what When you'll make that transition or if you'll make that transition Yeah, we'll find out it is a very peculiar thing that i'm [00:05:00] doing because like shouted from the hilltops that you have three jobs It's not a really sustainable way to stay triple employed.

So I've just decided and accepted that you know Probably not for an entire year while I still have all three um One, I do, I love getting to have the three because it's just like a, what's your excuse type of thing. Like just like getting, not from a ego, egotistic way, but showing people what's possible.

Um, but yeah, it's going to be really exciting to be able to be all in on the business for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. I was going to say, when you talk about coaching people to double and triple your income, I couldn't think of a better proof of concept than you yourself. Cause I know when you click on your Instagram, it's, I think it says like, 80k to 380k in a year and I know you're not saying that in like a in a way where you're bragging You're just trying to show that that's your own proof of concept where you were making 80, 000 decided to make a change a switch and now you're making you know close to 400, 000.

Yeah, absolutely Yeah, really try not to come from that place. I know you can never [00:06:00] You can never compartmentalize how people will see you. But yeah, definitely just a hey, it's possible lens Yeah, do you find with clients is a lot of times? The Them not making the money that they want to make is it a lack of skill set or is it a lot of times a Limiting belief because I feel like for me, it's probably more of a limiting belief than a lack of competency.

Yeah 99 percent of the time. Yeah, a lot of the clients they're in a job whether they're working remote or not right now and It's hard to blame them But they just don't see with confidence how to parlay their current experience into the experience That would land you the job you want. Whether it's in the same field or a slightly tangential field.

They maybe can't see the brain connect of how I could go from a project manager in construction to a tech product manager and double my income. Doing the same if not easier work than you were doing before. But they have these limiting beliefs that I'm here and tech is up here. Yeah. And they don't, and you know, I spent a year interviewing probably 200 interviews, probably a hundred, that's a lot, like [00:07:00] 20 iterations of my own resume.

Yeah. So I've, I've gotten good at being able to figure out how to tell that kind of story. And it's definitely helping these people learn how to tell a story with confidence of what they're capable of and how they'll be that person that adds crazy value to a team. What's uh, what's the type of person who's usually coming to you?

Are they like, uh, someone who's currently in a job and just like looking to make a big change or like, I'm just curious, like what's the average person look like? Yeah, I would say we have a really mixed bag, which is really cool. So people come in from sales, marketing. tech, maybe something totally outside the norm.

Um, I would say most of them are coming from a job they don't necessarily like, and they're looking for more time freedom. So when I, when we first launched, I assumed it would be a lot of people who are already remote that want to stack remote work on that. But we're actually getting a lot of people. We have that, but we also have a lot of people who are in an office job that is just like crushing their soul.

And they're looking to get remote and then consider other secondary income streams on top of that. But that's been really fulfilling to get to help these people. Yeah. Especially [00:08:00] someone that's coming from. Like that construction, would you say project management skill set and you're, you're basically teaching them like, no, you can connect the dots and get this job in tech, but they don't think it.

Cause I would imagine from my perspective, I would think, well, I've been in construction my whole career. So why would someone from tech think my skillset is valuable? And you're saying, no, they are. We just kind of have to figure out like how to polish up your resume and help you tell your story. So they understand that your skillset is like super relatable and translatable to what you'd be doing in this job.

Right? Exactly. It's just like, what are those boxes you need to check and reverse engineer those. And I think. One thing that's really fun to coach people on is outside of the traditional experience, like your current job, how quickly you can stand up your own thing that will fill any gaps that you have.

Like, it's never been easier to start your own app or do your own podcast or whatever it might be that can fill any void of doubt that they might have because you're technically in construction, but you could be a, founder at like a very legit one in two to three months. I feel like I've heard you say this about like the podcast, like you using your [00:09:00] podcast as a way to build credibility on your own resume.

And I do think that like the podcast for us has been our own way of kind of doing what you're talking about, which is just like neither of us had any experience in the health and wellness space before we started the podcast. We just had our own stories. And then we just built this podcast where we had other people on who had credibility in the space and it gave us a great tool.

So I'm excited to be able to connect with people and to like, develop our own ability to tell our own stories and make it more relatable to people. Like, I think there's so many free tools out there that people aren't just, aren't using to their full advantage. And yeah, podcasting is the perfect example.

A hundred percent. And I think the extra cool dynamic about if you're using it in a career development spaces, is Now you have these epic relationships and just like you guys are purlaying awesome relationships into mutual business value opportunities. It's the same for people in the corporate space.

So you start a podcast in some weird niche of tech and you get people from Google and Amazon and Facebook on. Now you have this like crazy personal relationship. It's not like just DMing someone on LinkedIn for a job. It's like this person will [00:10:00] probably go out of their way and give you their time. And when you scale that up to 40 50 interviews, you probably have an insane network if you ever need another opportunity.

Yeah, like you referenced Tim Ferriss. I know he's basically impossible to get on a podcast now because he's such a recluse, but your chances of connecting podcast, I would imagine are a thousand times higher. You Then you just try to ask him to get coffee. Hundred percent. Cause there's some value to him inviting him on a podcast, even if your following is way smaller than his.

Right? Cause it's like, it might a lot at a minimum, he's going to work on his speaking ability. You're going to give him a bunch of free content, clips, things that he can use for his social media. And he might tap into a totally different demographic. Like it's actually serving to the other person. Yeah, a hundred percent.

And that was my intention was like, how do I make this a value ad for them? Like sending them a bunch of reels afterwards that they don't have to do anything but upload them if they want. And what's cool. I feel like this was a value arbitrage thing, because a lot of those people who are crazy rock stars in Facebook or whatever, no one is really knocking on their door to chat with them and they don't have big personal [00:11:00] brands.

So. I guess the way to make this relatable for anyone is even what you guys are doing, like getting to talk to these farmers and these people in agriculture who are like insane at the value they add to the world. But it is cool. Even if it was a tiny podcast platform, no one's asked them to be on a podcast.

They're down. Totally. Yeah. It's been like our, I think our story is really interesting because we've been able to kind of Navigate our own like our own journey has gone like all over the place, right? Like we first started off by having a lot of doctors on a lot of farmers and then we launched noble And now we've started to have a lot more entrepreneurs on the show And we've really used it as a way to just like navigate our own interests.

But at the same time we've just We've been able to build out this really cool network of people that are all working on the same underlying thing, which is like, how do we improve the food system through innovation? And some of those people are farmers. Some of those people are people who are taking those raw ingredients from those farmers and turning them into cool products.

So, um, yeah, I just think there's this world out there that people can't even really imagine, um, that really just happens [00:12:00] through building relationships with people and yeah, the podcast is the best way to do that. Yeah, we're, we're, we're, the three of us are actually very parallel, even though it's different industries, it's a very similar approach, that's why I think if there's someone in their 20s, and they have this kind of like weird and kooky like passion project, you should just build a, you should actually just start a podcast, because at a minimum, to your point, podcast, No one's reaching out to that Facebook exec That's probably super liquid and crushes it and has an amazing skill set but at a minimum You get to learn from that person which is the most important thing and I guarantee you that if you have this crazy interest There are definitely other weirdos like you that are also interested in that similar thing that will love that content It'll take a little bit longer to build but you really get to kill Two birds with what that one stone where you build a relationship and you put out amazing content That kind of establishes you as an expert over time Yeah, couldn't agree more and that was a frame that I think helped me be really Consistent during our first year was I don't give a fuck if no one listens to this thing If I'm the only person it will still be so worth it because of the value because the relationships and then you get some listeners It's great.

[00:13:00] Yeah, but having an intrinsic why Makes it so doable. Totally. Is it tough for you at all to like oscillate between? The productivity brain of like working three full time jobs then also the creation brain, too Not really Because I'm able to create space for the creative part. If I wasn't getting to be creative on a weekly basis or like not every day do I get to be super creative, but that's what fuels everything else and keeps the fire going for me.

But the fact that I am able to come back from the workout at seven 30 and shoot five reels before my job starts and then have those couple of mornings at the coffee shop to journal and get excited about what the next thing could be. Um, That really helps. Yeah. It actually probably makes you better in those three full time jobs, where it's like, I find a lot of times when I have to do work that I'm not super passionate about, if I can do things that put me into the, like that optimal flow state, which would be [00:14:00] working out or working on things or being creative, then Like if you're doing both those things by 8 a.

m. and then you're like, dude, I'm absolutely just crush this work right now, which is going to give me the paycheck, which is going to fuel the thing that I ultimately want to be doing, which is the coaching business and the creation. Yeah, absolutely. And that's the big difference is like, cause I could have, a lot of people ask me, dude, you're making three 90 K.

Like why didn't you just chill and collect a paycheck? Like why are you trying to like, that just doesn't like, there's no why there's no next thing. I don't necessarily, I think it's a great way to. I don't know that anyone wants to be 45 working three full time jobs. I personally don't. So it's like, understand the why and build from there.

Yeah. Is there a piece of technology out there that you think people are underutilizing? Like I think if I had asked myself that question two years ago, I probably would have said like social media. Like I was just a consumer. And now I'm on social media actually contributing and I've seen like the gains that can happen just purely by using [00:15:00] social media.

But is there anything else? I know you're a big AI guy. Is there anything that people really need to know for anything specific, building business, building efficiency?

ChatGPT can do basically anything. I think people are pretty, uh, I think a lot of people use it, and maybe use it in a rudimentary way. If you are just not sure how to answer a problem, just see if you could, just think of a way you could ask ChatGPT and it can probably do it for you. The quality of the questions you ask, you can get some insane stuff done.

And it might seem like, oh, I don't know that that could be the reality, but, I've saved myself like dozens of hours a week being able to create these like complex reports and whatnot. So it's one of those things I think you just have some repetitions, definitely. Um, and I don't know that I have a really good catch all answer for everyone.

So if you're trying to build a business, you can do a lot, but there are so many AI tools out there and I'll get a lot of DMs and people will kind of outsource their curiosity and just like want [00:16:00] to know. But Google is still a great search engine. So if you're like needing support with something, ask your questions, like AI tools afterwards, and you'll probably stumble into something really cool.

Cause people are putting out a hundred, 200 a day. And I think people who are taking an empowered mindset of like, I bet there's something out here. Let me see if I can go find it and mess around with it. I would recommend that because for me, I spent. I probably spent four or five months just playing around with everything and being super curious before I found what works really well for me.

Yeah, AI legitimately blows my mind. Like every time someone AI tool to use, I'm just like completely blown away by how quickly this technology seems to be like adapting and growing. Someone sent me something the other day called, I think it's called Podium. And it's for podcasting and it can do show notes, timestamps, clips.

All this stuff and it's not perfect, but just having resources like that is completely changing the game. Like I feel like solo entrepreneurship. It is now becoming so much more possible for people if they just know what questions to ask about, [00:17:00] like what resources to be using. And then like you're saying with chat, GBT, knowing how to like use it just a little bit better than like a novice, like asking the right questions and framing things the right way.

You can have like a full blown team, just basically the equivalent of a full blown team in some of these AI tools. Yeah. And that's not that I have any idea what's going to happen with our world in society, but my take is. Companies will hire less and less people but there's never been a greater opportunity for you to make a crazy impact and a crazy Amount of income starting your own business.

You just on the flip side. These companies don't need all the people. You don't need a lot of Investment or resources to start a company and crush it. Yeah, I think Dan McCormick from Korea gummies is an amazing example that he started the business About a year ago. It was November of last year.

Literally just creatine monohydrate in gummy form. Yeah, he's the only employee They do a million dollars a month right now, which isn't and he outsources everything. He's the only employee That's I feel like that perfectly reinforces what you're saying. Yeah, [00:18:00] totally I think more creators need to hear your message, honestly and like if I'm gonna be Radically transparent and call a spade a spade like most of the creators and coaches that I know in town and Austin Specifically are broke or losing money every single month and it's like it's it's flat out true, right?

It's like we all know them and I I think there's definitely nobility in the concept of just saying look I'm gonna do this I'm gonna build this idea from scratch. I'm gonna monetize my social media following I'm gonna go all in but dude, it's so freaking hard to do that Especially if you're just creating content And trying to leverage these like affiliate deals where you're getting a percent of commission, like it's very, very difficult to monetize unless you have a massive following.

So that's why I love your concept of like, there's this world that exists in this gig economy where you can get a couple part time jobs, keep money coming in while you build out this social media business or this coaching business, and then you can eventually hit the type of run rate where you want where you can stop doing that and then go all in on your business like it seems like a more practical thing and being totally transparent even with Meat Mafia.

For the first eight months of us doing this, I was [00:19:00] working my, I continued to work my consulting job. It was full time. I was really putting in a part time effort, but I was like, let me just put in a good enough effort in a way that won't set off any red flags with my boss, but I can keep getting that nice salary coming in.

And then when I decide to quit, hopefully I'm making enough money from mafia. And then if I'm not, I've had this nice little nest egg that will sustain me until we become really profitable as a business. So I think that's the practical approach that no one's talking about that we should be spreading farther and more wide.

Yeah. I love that you said that, because that was a big driver of this decision for me. And Even those male mentors I mentioned who are in the coaching space, I think what has been so proliferated for our generation, at least the people loosely in this space, is corporate will make you depressed and sad and you need to run a business rooted in your purpose if you want to be happy in life.

And I was hardcore bought in on that for several years. And it took that aha moment to be like, Oh, I can't. Like, I can still have those passions, but I can also still have value as an individual, and like, I can be, [00:20:00] I can have self worth, and I can love my life, even if I have other things paying the bills.

And if those things are pretty easy to do, and they give me financial freedom and security, that's even better. You know? But still obviously making time for those things, and um, yeah, I, I would hope for other people to consider it as an option, not that they need to or should, but to realize Yes, it looks cool to be on Instagram like being an influencer and like this is how I make money But if you're beating your head against a wall for years and years, trying to make that a reality, like you can really relieve a lot of pressure and make more progress if you give yourself some extra foundation.

Yeah. Yeah. A lot of creators will say, dude, it can take like five to 10 plus years to build a meaningful brand. Like I think Ben Greenfield is the perfect example of that. He's working with 80 plus brands now but there were years where he was just posting blogs by himself, not making any single money. So like, are you willing to accept the fact that you're going to go 5 to 10 years without sustainable income or you can keep doing, you know, you can keep creating content, putting in a great effort but at the same time, you know, take a [00:21:00] few hours out of your day to work this other job just to be able to pay for basic expenses to allow you to pursue that vision.

Yeah. And I feel like most people will have a more genuine. enjoyable, high quality brand if you're not so reliant on income to make it a thing. Like if you're behind the scenes, fearful about money and scarcity and not sure where your next paycheck is coming from, you're probably going to be like. You're not going to come off the way you want to, probably.

Yeah, I mean, our marketing agency is the perfect example of that. It's like, we love every single brand that we work with, that we run Twitter for, and we genuinely believe that, like, our efforts will help drive promotion to a lot of these brands. But at the same time, it's also, you know, we want to be the number one health and wellness podcast in the world.

Dude, it takes a long time to monetize a podcast in a meaningful way. Even with Noble, the business is doing great. We're doing like 50k a month. We don't really, we don't really take much revenue out of that because we want to keep revenue in the business to allow that thing to scale and grow. So without the marketing agency, like we wouldn't have money coming in too.

So our marketing agency is almost like your example of working these [00:22:00] other jobs. You have to keep the machine going. 100%. Yeah. It's really easy to romanticize certain aspects of entrepreneurship or just like doing your passion project. But. I think people, But you said this at the beginning of the podcast, like, it takes like five years to change yourself.

It also takes like five years to build a business that can actually make money and that you can actually pull from. Noble, for example, like, I don't see a world where we're like making a boatload of money off of Noble for a long time. And like, or not even a boatload, just like a good amount of money off of Noble for a long time.

So it's like, that is going to be a long term, uh, And I think it's really easy to fall into that trap of over romanticizing certain aspects of working for yourself and having that big vision. But it is amazing. You just need to realize that like, there's, there's aspects of reality that come into play and you need to be able to make money in the meantime.

Yeah, I love that. I feel like that is maturity on the entrepreneurial journey right there, at least for me when I [00:23:00] reflect because it has been five years of me trying and failing entrepreneurship to finally get it right. Yeah. And. If I could go back and tell myself anything, it would be that like, you're going to suck.

You're going to fail at so many things for a really long time. But like something changes when you accept that fact. Cause then you plan differently and your goals are different and you probably are going to have a better run rate or a longer runway because you're thinking from that place and you're doing what you need to do to set yourself up for years of failure or years of struggle.

And what's funny too, is like now with you working three, three full time jobs, I would imagine. The content that you're putting out is probably the best and most creative that you've ever felt before which probably seemed counterintuitive five years ago But imagine all the mental headspace and energy and effort that you were just putting towards like Worrying about not making enough money or being able to pay the bills now That's completely gone You filled up that bucket in your hierarchy of needs and now everything else is like gravy and you can just focus on really building The thing that you want to do.

Yeah hundred percent Like everything from [00:24:00] the passion and joy and like the genuine groundedness and like, oh, we're actually getting results So it's way easier to like show up and have energy to talk about it, right rather than being in that like, okay I'm kind of failing but like I have to pretend like I look great energy, which is not fun to be in but it also goes back to the health stuff too because like literally testosterone levels and all this stuff that's finally gotten figured out like When I think of how I was feeling on a daily basis trying to create content and have high energy and how effortless it feels now, like it all, it's all intertwined.

So you're, you're doing work with Waste as well? Or is it Alive and Well, Ways to Well? Ways to Well. Yeah. Was that like blood work or like what sort of things were you doing with them? Because I think about this a lot about entrepreneurship and you were just hitting on it where people would just like throw their health out the window and just, we talked about this a little bit before, like sacrifice your body in order to get the results that you want.

But then there's this other world where if you can build the foundation to the point where You're able to continually like build resiliency with your body [00:25:00] and have those habits You can do all the amazing things that you want to do So I'm curious what have you done with them that sort of moved the needle for you?

Yeah, it's really interesting because I feel like I poured years into just doing all the things So I really would say I was doing almost all the things the sunlight the rain being grounded outside, water, paleo diet, like all the things. And my testosterone, yeah. But my testosterone, once, once I did a blood panel was still like hardcore lows, like about 200, which some people might say that's okay, but obviously it could be like 1200.

Yeah. Um, so going through that cycle with them, we did some, we looked at the testosterone levels and they gave me some options. So they were thinking about doing TRT. Uh, but they said there's this thing called inclomiphene that you can take, which is like, uh, I don't know if you've ever heard of it. I've taken it before.

Oh, really? Dude, a hundred percent. Yeah. Cause my, um, my cortisol gets super high cause I get stressed out with everything. And I think when I, I think I, I use blokes like. Maybe a year ago. My T was like 450. Nice. And I think Enclomafine got it to like 750 or [00:26:00] 800 or something like that. So anyway, you're still on it?

I have stopped taking it like two months ago. I literally just ran out and haven't refilled it, but I felt amazing when I was taking it and BPC 157. Oh interesting. Yeah, but people were saying that Like we had doctors from blokes that were saying instead of giving people TRT like the creator of ice barrel Wyatt His T was like 300.

He went on enclomafene for two months. It rose to like 1200 He was like an enclomafene hyper responder. Yeah, but anyway, so you took that and had great results Yeah, I had really good results and I was doing a few other things. I'd honestly take Like 30 supplements in the morning, so I have no idea what's working and what's not.

And I just keep taking all of them because I don't want to fuck it up. Which I don't know if that's good or bad, but, um, yeah. Of all the things and Clomiphene being one of them, uh, it got my T up to like 800 or so. And then they've just increased my dose more. But even that jump was like life changing for me for sure.

And dude, testosterone is like, it's truly a life changing hormone. It's not like this arbitrary metric. [00:27:00] I've said this probably a hundred times on the podcast, but the guy Josh Whelan, who's the actual founder of Bloke's, it's a male hormone company, but the people that thank him the most aren't the men themselves, the patients.

It's the wives of the patients because they're watching. like their men become different versions of themselves just by improving this incredible hormone. So like that risk taking gene, the desire to like not want to just be comfortably numb, like a lot of that comes from actually increasing your testosterone.

Yeah, it's epic. And I, I don't know that I would have been as driven to start working on these things had I not been living with my partner. Yeah. And I could do a lot of those things, take risk, take action. But by the end of the day, I'm like a useless, you Shell of a human being, and I was like, this is not sustainable.

Right. Uh, it was fine when I was living solo alone, and I could just be in the dark by myself. But, yeah, it was that place, and it feels good to have more bandwidth for sure. Yeah. The blood work is amazing. Like, I feel like people in Austin are pretty aware of the power of just understanding your blood panels, and like, checking in, having this moment in time where you understand [00:28:00] exactly where you're at.

But for the general public, I feel like most people, like, work in the 9 to 5, like, aren't necessarily getting their blood panels done. And it's such a massive lever to pull on just to figure out some baseline health metrics that you can improve. And like you were saying, like, if your testosterone is a little bit low, imagine the operating level that you could be at if you do actually improve some of those things.

Yeah. And it's like, I totally get it. A lot of these things don't operate within the insurance model. I'm sure there's ways you can get it. But even looking at it, like, am I really going to pay 500 to get my blood done and I got to do it again in three or four months? But for me, the frame is like, you know, no matter what age you're at, but the younger you can do it Like I say do it for a couple years Let me pour a couple grand into it because if you hack those things now Like the return on investment of the years of feeling fantastic in the year like So you have two to three more hours of good brain energy per day for the next three decades.

That's worth so much. Yeah. Especially in your 20s and 30s when you're in build mode outside of building a family. It's like, or, you know, like whatever you're trying to try to [00:29:00] do with your life, it's like having that energy as a 20 or 30 year old could be the difference between millions and millions of dollars down the road.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And it's like, And then you're only going downhill from there. So it's like, you might as well get to the highest peak possible and figure out how to maintain that, you know? Yeah. I mean, if we want to even thread the needle with you, we could make the argument that you going from 80 to 300 K.

That could be in tandem with you actually improving your hormone health like you just mentioned. So you just quantified the fact that you just made 300, 000 extra dollars in exchange for like a thousand bucks of blood work. Yeah. I know there are obviously other factors too, but like let's just say that that was one of the things that moved the needle in that direction.

It's the best ROI ever. Yeah, no, literally and Um, that brings back a memory from my first year in Austin, one of the, there's a different mentor I had and I was working full time. I was doing my coaching thing and I was also coaching in his business and like health and nutrition coaching. And I remember getting so [00:30:00] debilitated by those three things, which scale wise are way less than what I'm doing now, like maybe a third of the total volume of effort.

But I would have to like take naps in the shower between calls because I was so fried and like, One or two calls per day of health coaching, nutrition coaching, would zap me so hardcore. And it wasn't sustainable, and I ended up quitting it. So it's like so true that if you, or at least for me, it's a reinforced belief that if you just triple down on filling the cup and expanding your capacity You know, only good things happen.

It's such a good framework too. It just is a great framework for life because once you spend that thousand bucks your incentives are to make the most out of that thousand bucks. Oh yeah. You know, you just paid a boatload of money for this blood work and for whatever, you know, recommendations they're going to have for you.

You better go make that worth it's, it's bet. Exactly. Yeah, a lot of the best things in life come from having skin in the game. Totally. Can you imagine if we got Elon on Enclomathene and had him lose 50 pounds to a meat based diet, what that would look like? In terms of productivity for society in general.

I bet you he's on some stuff. You think? [00:31:00] I mean, he's like Dude, he's uh, he's the richest man in the world. He's gotta be paying attention to his health and to some degree. He looks too shitty to do it. He's on anything. He looks really shitty. Yeah. I don't think he I think he's a perfect example of sacrificing the body for the greater good.

Yeah. But I'm guessing, like, maybe he's on Like, you know, he's got the, uh, the Adderall gig or something going on, you know? Yeah. Yeah, it would be interesting to see what he actually does behind the scenes. Cause the guy is, I mean, he's growing three or four of the biggest companies in the world right now.

Or some of the most important ones. From X to SpaceX, like all these businesses that are doing revolutionary stuff. Like, how do you actually manage, like how do you manage your time at that point? Yeah. I think he's got like, Like 20, uh, like personal assistants that are all responsible for like little, like different aspects, each of those business units.

Yeah. And I think that's really great. Of course, you know, he's got a lot going on. He's a very polarizing person, but. Inspiration for what one human [00:32:00] can do with systems. I think that there's nothing better to look at as a world of possibility. Cause of course, like, you know, people are like. You might, I might have a manager come to me and be like, You think you can just handle three jobs?

Elon runs three fucking companies, you know? Dude, I think the bar's just really low. Literally, like, four billion dollar companies. See, that's why I hope like, when Rogan gets it back on the podcast or someone else, like, Don't smoke a joint with him actually asking about like his systems and things that he's done to make himself successful I feel like no one's really dug into those tactics.

Yeah before that would be so fast I mean how much money would you pay to just get access to that information? I tell me how you think about building a team or like you bought Twitter like what did you do to like Minimize how much mental bandwidth you need to put into that thing so you can actually do the other shit you care about.

Yeah. Or like, how do you go about screening people to like, be within your inner circle or people who are, you're gonna like, be on those teams that are working on the things that you want to be building. Like, that, that information is so valuable. Yeah, 100%. Have you met our buddy, uh, [00:33:00] Nick Smith? He goes to Squatch.

Tall guy. He runs Olympus Gum, which is the mastodon company. Super smart dude. He's been raving about that new Elon bio that came out that Walter Isaacson wrote. He said it's unbelievable and like, really like deep dives a lot of this stuff. Yeah. And basically he just went into Twitter and was like, this is all woke bullshit.

We can do it with like 20 percent of the, the operating team and just fired 80 percent of the company. Dude. And he's doing it. Yeah. It's wild. People will hate, but. That's kind of the reality of the business world. Yeah. Is there anyone that you look up to in the business world that you're kind of modeling your, your vision after?

Hmm, that's a great question. I feel like I didn't even read the whole book, but one book that really impacted me is um, Ray Dalio principles because he, that book, at least what I took away from it is systems thinking. And I think I'd always, my brain had always operated in that way traditionally, but that really cemented it for me of how to think about thinking about the things in my life.

So that was a big one. Um, long time ago, even the Tim Ferriss four [00:34:00] hour work week is probably like the earliest seed planted for what I'm doing now. And like the next iteration of what that can look like for how we work. Um, I like Cody Sanchez's content a lot. She's awesome. She's great. She talks a lot about building team hiring and firing fast Just like figuring out how to scale your impact.

Would you ever buy a boring unsexy business? Yeah, for sure at some point. Yeah, you know could be in my could be in my cards I think it's make a bunch of money in this Grow the business like crazy help a ton of people buy a ranch Mmm Make sure I can live off grid and, like, survive the apocalypse, and then, like, who knows what after that, you know?

Build a van, maybe? Yeah, have another van. Circle back to it? Why not? Full circle. Are you on Twitter? Not really, I should be. We gotta get you up. I see you pop up sometimes. Yeah. Maybe it was like a year or so ago. I've like, I've probably got a couple tweets. I had an assistant just writing a bunch of garbage tweets for me for a long time and I was like, this is stupid and we're not getting anywhere with this.

But even this [00:35:00] morning, someone was like, you should just be on Twitter, um, especially for the taboo ness of what you're doing. Yes. Like doing a Twitter brand would crush. And I was like, you're probably right. And in my head during the conversation, I was like, I should ask Caley about that. We can help you.

The coaching clients that want to work with you will be on Twitter. Cool, 100%. Let's get it. Dude, imagine you writing a thread literally titled how I went from 80, in a year and just broke those principles down. You would get a million impressions, I guarantee you. Let's go. I'm here for it. Mafia might have to help you ghostwrite that, honestly.

I'm down. Let's talk about it. I feel like there's so much value. Like, I think our motto is just like create as much value as possible, like through the work that we're doing. Like if your message reaches people. Like, the thousands of people who listen to the show, like, that's amazing. And even though this is like, a little bit outside of the scope of like, the food topics that we talk about and everything, like, there's a reason why we bring guests like yourself on the show.

It's that people can live badass lives, and it's like, how do we spread that message to more people? Yeah, that's the hope, and I think it is all fueled. Like, I don't care [00:36:00] about what I do because of the money, but it's really the freedom associated, and then what that gives you, right? So, it's like, if I have more time, freedom.

I can spend more time with my family. I can spend more time in the gym. I can spend more time going for walks outside. I think it really all fuels. What are the best ways for people to connect with you and learn more about your coaching offering if they're interested? Yeah, for sure. So Instagram right now is where we're most active.

So at Delaney, William, underscore, um, that's number one elevated tech. us is our website. And, um, we'll drop a special URL. So elevated tech. us slash meet. For anyone who wants to get on a free call with our team, learn about how we help people scale their income. Nice. I'm gonna get three full time butcher jobs after this.

You won't, bro. Let's see. Let's go. Oh man, dude, this was so cool. I mean, these conversations were the exact reason why we moved out here to learn and connect with people like you. And like if you were looking at the mafia Delaney hierarchy of needs, the point is like, get your nutrition and health under control so [00:37:00] you can live a badass life like Harry is talking about.

Stack the bag, provide for your family, like it's all these threads are connected. So it's like the purpose of having great health is to make wealth, which will fulfill you too. So it's all connected, man. Well, we appreciate you, brother. Thank you so much for doing this. Thanks for having me on. Appreciate you.

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