Chris Lieto: Chasing Excellence in Triatholon (Part 1) | MMP #343
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Speaker 2:Yeah. Thank you very much. Yeah. It's fun to be here. Dude, it's good to have
Speaker 3:you from the big island. Right? You head out tomorrow?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Head head out of town to do some additional things with other clients and stuff for the next, 2 weeks, actually. So and then after that, we'll head back to Hawaii. Nice.
Speaker 1:So yeah. What's a first impression of Austin? Or I guess you've been here before, but
Speaker 2:Been here a couple times, but, yeah, every time I come back, it's, well, London's getting warm. So that's so that's one factor. I'm like, wow. At first, I'm like, this place is amazing. Right?
Speaker 2:Like, just so much activity. So many, hungry people, I feel like. It's not like there's a different vibe. Like, I find coming from Northern California originally in the East Bay near San Francisco. We lived there for a long time.
Speaker 2:I lived there for most of my childhood and and adult life until 12 years ago moved to Hawaii. But one of the reasons of leaving was just kind of a culture of Northern California of, like, people are driven, but there's also this expectation of, like, performance, I felt like. It was kinda like a vibe there. And, yeah, it was kinda wearing. And so when when you asked me about Austin and my first response is people are hungry, it feels like it's a different type of hunger than what I experienced in in Northern California.
Speaker 2:Like, a hunger of, like, excitement and I think the words would be, like, excitement, adventure, enjoyment, health, more health. Mhmm. This activity is so many young people. It's crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like you go to a restaurant and it's, like, 90% young people. You're like, we're all the we're all the old people. Yeah. But, yeah, everyone's just active and it's fun. There's just always something going on too.
Speaker 2:And it's crazy. I'm just learning more and more.
Speaker 3:Yeah. What's available? That's I mean, that's a huge reason why Harry and I both decided to move here just being northeast guys. Just kinda craving that health and wellness community and that connection. I think that's part of the reason why our brand has been able to grow pretty quickly is just being here.
Speaker 3:But I'm excited now that you joined NVDM recently that you'll be kinda splitting some more time between Hawaii and Austin because I feel that'll scratch that itch for you because we were even talking about on Friday about you wanting to create more content and just find a videographer to document some of this stuff in Hawaii. And it's so hard just to find, like, one person that fits that niche. We're here. We probably know, like, 20 different videographers that would love to do some of that stuff with you.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It sounds like yeah. I mean, there's the resources here, it seems like they're endless opportunity. Like I said, that that availability to get stuff done and just to connect with people. And for me, like, my life is shifting to try to be more relational.
Speaker 2:You know, joining the team at n BDM has been really driven by the fact of wanting to be around community and around relationships. Because I've been coaching for for a long time, and it's always been, like, 1 on 1 small scale. I would say small scale and, like, the number of clients that I would carry was very small, just because it takes so much time and and focus on each person. And as now shifting over here, it's like, how can I use my experience and my knowledge to to help a greater number of people through the community that's already built? Mhmm.
Speaker 2:So how do I help facilitate that and give back to that where I can just multiply my stuff versus just kinda 1 on 1 and still do the 1 on 1. I love the 1 on one. And for me, the 1 on 1 is just spending quality time doing great things and helping guide people facilitate them to just realize what their potential is and whatever it is. Yeah. Fitness, triathlon, business, whatever.
Speaker 1:Well, the triathlon community here is incredible. And honestly, just you were saying before the health and wellness community is so powerful in Austin. Like, I feel like so many people, like, the highest percentage, a high percentage of people in Austin are just involved with the health and wellness space, which is so unique. Like, well, I'll just, like, randomly, you know, be walking around the city and bump into, like, 5 people that I know. Like, the other day when you guys were driving up to Mount Bonnell, I'm like, that was Natasha's car.
Speaker 1:Like, you know, that stuff happens all the time. And it's really cool being around that because it goes beyond just the sport, and it starts to become like a really like a family type feel. And everyone benefits from the coaching, but then also each other, which I think is, like, kind of that untapped, reservoir of potential. It's like you can push each other beyond just 1 on 1 coaching.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And that's that's my passion. Like, my passion is not to do triathlon coaching. Mhmm. Write a plan and give you a workout.
Speaker 2:Right. That's, like, literally, like, 5 as far as percent. Yeah. It's really, like, how can I use that to build a deeper relationship and elevate every area of life? Mhmm.
Speaker 2:And the community aspect is a huge part of it because it's about relationship. It's about community. It's about connection. It's about adventure. It's about the process, and it's about enjoying the process that you're in.
Speaker 2:It's not always about the destination. Mhmm. It's the process along the way. And so spending that with people and enjoying yourself and shifting the way you view things. Like, just there's so much to it and and so that's what I love most about it.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. Is it's not like I didn't go to a different business or company or a coaching platform just to coach and and push that. It's like I I want the community. I wanna see the community grow and it's growing rapidly. And it's like, how do we continue to to bring value and and connect people?
Speaker 3:So Yeah. Well, your philosophy on coaching is super interesting too, because on one hand, you know, you were competing in triathlon at the highest level, like winning professional Ironman races. You came in second at the world championships in 2009. Right? That was the year what you did, like, in 820?
Speaker 2:I think it was around that. Yeah. I don't know the exact time.
Speaker 3:It's like unfathomable to think about how fast that time was. So you have this incredibly high caliber athletic background, but the more that I've gotten to know you the last week, you're super into the mind set and in perspective and in kind of like cultivating this mindset of understanding your destination and why you want to achieve certain goals. I'm curious, would you say the majority of clients that you work with, are they coming to you for triathlon? Or is it more like executives that are trying to improve their mindset? What is that split of clients?
Speaker 2:It's usually it's a it's a mix. I'd say currently, it's mostly triathlon because that's the the the vehicle that I jumped into with this with the team. Before I tried to do, like when I left the sport of triathlon, there was some resentment and some bitterness around the process of just dealing with an injury and just life stuff, in that process. So I didn't retire and stop the way I wanted to. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I had to deal with a lot of things that carried over for a couple years. And so through that, kind of didn't want anything to do with triathlon. I was kinda just burnt out on it. And so then just creating a new vision or a new direction that I wanted to go and and really get the fact that it's about relationships and helping people And taking my experiences and my challenges and my difficulties and the things that I've gone through to help guide people through that or just share my stuff. I tried to go just straight on the business side and go straight on the life side, which was successful and and was moving, but I kept ignoring the triathlon side.
Speaker 2:I kept, like, pushing it away, not wanting to go down that path because I didn't wanna, like, go back into that world. And as far as connecting with Natasha about this whole process and and joining the team, it was really, like, this process of, like, stepping back into where my authority is to a certain extent in my experience, and be, like, what a better place than to start there? Because it comes so easy. Yeah. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Like, it's so second nature to me on how to coach and how to see how somebody moves or what needs to be corrected or what needs to be adjusted. But in that, it's like, I don't take clients on unless they're willing to, like, go deeper than just a plan. Like like I said, I don't wanna just sign up and do plans. So it's like, are you willing to go deep in in areas of your life to get the full growth of what you want and a portion of that is health and fitness and racing or triathlon. But, again, it's like, why are you going towards something and what's the process along the way and get the most out of it.
Speaker 2:Maximize your time and maximize, maximize your life. Mhmm. It's like I've spent too much of my life being stuck in places trying to either gain acceptance or approval or, live through an expectation that just comes with its own burdens and its own challenges. And to finally, like, let go of some of that stuff and be like, I'm just gonna show up every day and see what happens and show up better. Like, show up how how can I bring a better version of myself each day the way that I did that in sport?
Speaker 2:Mhmm. So, like, when I was doing triathlon and racing and preparing for the world championships, it was like, my goal for that was a 12 year, yeah. About a 12 year process that it took to get to that place in 2009 where I finished run Her Up. And that process was that was a vision and a goal that I always had, but it was about the journey each step of the way to get there. And, believing in what who do I have to be every day?
Speaker 2:What experience do I have to have every day to move towards that? So it's trying to be present in where you are in each day, and shifting that to, like, what I'm doing today. Like, how do I show
Speaker 3:up different today? Yeah. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Than I did yesterday. And how do I show up better the next day? And I don't know. It's the whole whole deal.
Speaker 1:Are there points along the way during that 12 years where you can point to and say these were the periods where I was challenged the most, but also these are the periods that have made me a qualified, as you said, and and good coach?
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's a big question.
Speaker 1:Loaded.
Speaker 2:Yeah. There's a lot there. I mean, everything from the coaches that I sought out and the people who helped guide me in the very beginning and then along the process and learning from each one of them, as well as books and psychology and, mentors and those things. But the taking that and and understanding it. My my process was always a way of, like, if I'm gonna if I'm gonna be coached and learn something, I wanna understand the process so then I can get how I'm supposed to perform or how I'm supposed to show up each day in a workout.
Speaker 2:So sometimes you'll be assigned a workout, and if you don't know what it is, you just kinda guess. Mhmm. Like, if you don't know what the intention is of the workout, and a lot of times coaches will say, okay, here do this, do this, do this. And you can just go ahead and execute it and follow it to the plan. If you can trust and believe in that, you can just go ahead and do it, which is great because then you don't have to think about it.
Speaker 2:But for me, the way that I think, the way I process is, like, I wanna understand it. And I wanna understand the the outcome that we wanna get out of that workout. So then I know how to approach it, which means if I'm not feeling good, can I go a little bit less? Can I go a little bit easier? Where my old mentality was, like, if I need to run at a heart rate of 150 or between 1 if the coach said, hey, I want you to run between a heart rate of 140 and 150.
Speaker 2:My mentality is to be, like, 150 or 152. Because more is better sit at the top, like, if that's the the balance. But now that you now that I knew and learned the philosophy and the reason to be within that zone, it's about building aerobic capacity. And so in that, going to 152 defeats the process of staying within that zone. Even though you're 1 or 2 out, you're actually, like, doing potentially worse than if you went 2 or 3 under.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. And so, knowing that you can be at 140 and get the same amount of benefit as being at 150, or potentially even more depending on where you are in your phase, then it's, like, well, then why wouldn't I spend more time there? And so you release a lot of expectations because you understand the intention. Mhmm. So, yeah.
Speaker 2:So through the process of just learning that stuff, But then, I guess, the original question was, like, what struggles or challenges or things that I go through? In I mean, everything from injuries, where I couldn't ride my bike or run for months, couple months, multiple times, broken bones for different things. How do you bounce back from that? How do you mentally process and go through it? Relationship challenges, marriage marriage challenges in, like, support in putting time and energy into something that can seem so selfish, but it's also a job.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. And so that balance of that of trying to figure out and navigate that and not following the plan or the process that society will tell you you should follow because that's what everyone does. Mhmm. Right? Like, it's safer to say, well, just go get a normal job and live your life the way that everyone else does.
Speaker 2:But to have someone to have a dream to do something and have a resolve or a belief that you could accomplish it, there's very few people that will stand with you and and beside you and encourage that because the likelihood is so narrow. That someone has to do it And it's like, I learned a lot through that process of what areas I was healthy in that and what areas I was not. Mhmm. In driving myself for the wrong motives or the wrong intentions or the wrong, process along the way just to strive to try and get that that goal or that achievement because I was looking for some of the wrong things in that process. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Looking for back to that, like, acceptance or, approval or worth or value in myself as a person and utilizing sport as a vehicle to fill or satiate myself in that. Mhmm. And, that's usually where it doesn't come through. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's amazing to think about the level of faith you must have had in yourself in your early to mid twenties when you decided that you wanted to pursue a career as a professional triathlete because you were a college water polo player. And triathlon back then was a vastly different landscape than it is now where, you know, you can support yourself financially by building out a big social media following where sometimes the most popular triathletes aren't even the best. They just have a great social media presence or YouTube presence, and you can monetize through that. But I would imagine back when you started, it's like you were getting paid by either winning races or hoping someone would sponsor you. And that was the only way that you were making money.
Speaker 3:So I'm, I guess I'm just curious for you. Where did that, where did that faith in yourself come from in your early to mid twenties? And what were some signs along the way of like, Hey, I don't think I'm cut from the conventional cloth, and I don't wanna do the conventional route that all my other friends and peers and former teammates are pursuing?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. I think for me, it was, like, 25 years old, newly married. I think we were 2 years in the marriage. And, found ourselves back in Northern California and just diving into business and work.
Speaker 2:And I just saw the the pathway of where that was gonna end up, and I didn't wanna end up being in a cubicle doing a normal job and spending 35 years like my dad did, and retiring and not enjoying the process. And so I've always been an adventure an adventurous person, vision, go against the grain a little bit, challenge myself, have as far as belief. But at 25, I was like I met 2 athletes that were, as far as professional triathletes and was chatting with them about their lifestyle and what they were doing. And I was like, sounds like fun. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:And didn't know a ton about it, but I was like, well, if there's an avenue to be able to have fun, to work out, to train, to swim, to do all these things, let's look at it. What does that look like? And so I watched them, perform at the world championships and a few races on TV, and I just got inspired and just kinda researched it. And I was like, this sounds like a lot of fun, really challenging. And so kinda just dove in, but in that process, it was like I was going through a phase at that time where I went through a ton of Tony Robbins stuff, and I went through a lot of his one day things and multiple day things.
Speaker 2:But it was one of the original things that I went through of just walking through this process of of, like, what do I really want in my life, and why and why do I want it? What am I looking for in that? And then coming to a place of, like, if I understand what I what I want to experience, and that was, like, coming from a place of love, coming from a place of impact, coming from a place of purpose, that if if I'm going down that path, how do I move towards that? And, yeah, just kinda took that and anchored a lot of things or reasons why and just created a a resolve of, like, a just a strong belief and kinda orchestrated it to a certain extent in my mind of just going, no. If I do this and I do accomplish this this goal of being world championship, because that was my goal before I even did my first race.
Speaker 2:Before I even even could test to see if I could run or bike, it was literally it was that process and believing what could the outcome look like and what could my life look like by accomplishing that. And not knowing if I could do it, but just having a resolve of, like, I'm just committed to the process. Mhmm. And, as I'm sharing that, it's kind of wild because it was so long ago, and I don't remember all the details except for that. And writing it all down in such a, a belief system around it that I didn't have to, like, follow the details on a daily plan of, like, checking in or looking at, like like, affirmations every day.
Speaker 2:Like, I didn't have to go through all of that process. I did instill some of those along the way and added some new things along the way. But it was just, like, if I wanna be world champion, someday, the attitude is what do when I wake up every morning and I get out of bed, the question to ask myself was, what would a world champion do today? And so then it was be, like, from getting up, what would I do? Would I stretch?
Speaker 2:Would I move? Would I spend time and quiet time? Would I, when I go to the fridge and I open it up, what would I what would I eat? So it comes down to, like, a process of, like, if I am that person, then how would I how would I act? How would I move?
Speaker 2:What choices would I make? And so you're it was taking myself and creating a new a new version of myself as if I was already that person. But it had to start with asking what would a world champion do because I don't have experience, and I didn't know what that looked like. So what does a world champion do every day? And I could find current world champions.
Speaker 2:My very first coach was Mark Allen, who was a 6 time world champ. So it's like, if I wanna be world champ, I gotta I had to seek out the best person I potentially had access to, and I didn't have access to him, but I found access to him. And so he coached me for the 1st 2 years and learned immense amount of how his approach was, which worked amazingly for him. And I've gleaned a ton from that that brought me to the next coach and the next coach, which created what worked for me because everyone's different. But so I had to find resources and examples of what does a world champion look like and what stuff did they do, and then I would have to take that responsibility and be like, okay.
Speaker 2:I'll start there. Do what they did and see if it matches and works. And then, and then you start owning it yourself, going, if I am a world champ, what do I do? What choices do I make? What sacrifices do I make?
Speaker 1:What does a world champion look like? Like, I mean, that's the question. And for for anyone looking to create that level of belief in themselves and that hope, it's like drawing that identity that you want into today's into existence today is is what you're saying you did. It's like, how can you be that person right now? And, like, even you going through that and saying that, it's so powerful hearing it because I think a lot of people aspire to be certain things, but they don't actually go through kind of the checklist of what that person really looks like that they're trying to aspire to be and what it does that person do on a day to day basis.
Speaker 1:And I imagine the identity shift that you went through, it's like you probably do deal with a little bit of, like, I'm I know I'm not that guy, but, like, I'll be that guy if I keep doing this. So I'm I'm curious. Like, when did you start to feel like your identity was shifting into, oh, I I can actually be a champion. Like, this person that I'm showing up as every day is now that person that I was envisioning, you know, being at some point.
Speaker 2:Yeah. My my first response to that that comes up or the image would probably be in 2009 when I almost won. Yeah. So it wasn't until then. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:But I still pursued that. Like, every year was about the world championship event. So every race that I chose to do prior to that was in guiding me to becoming world champ. So I took the effort along the way, in believing that, but not necessarily owning it. Right?
Speaker 2:So there's an understanding of, like, believing it in your mind versus believing it, like, in your in your heart and your soul, I guess. Because some of it's not reality. And some people say you should always shoot for a, realistic, obtainable, short term goals, which I do believe in, and there is value to that. I also believe in in dreaming massively big and creating momentum towards something that's huge because it will drive you a lot farther along the way. Like, I never became a world champion.
Speaker 2:So you could look at it and go, well, I failed. But if I didn't set a goal to be world champion, I never would have finished second, twice. 1 at 1 at the iron man, I led to half iron man distance. So so, like, setting something will will setting something that big will draw you towards it. And what worked for me then, like I said, some things I did really well, and some things I've learned that I would do it differently.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. And some things I just got lucky along the way in that that, like, setting a goal to be successful in something, like becoming a world champion or be the best or have this business or accomplish this mountain that I have to climb or whatever, it's like, what is what is it that I really want, and is it about that accomplishment? And, I believe it was always about the accomplishment because I believed hitting that accomplishment would give me what I was looking for. But then along the way, I was lucky in that understanding that it was, a lot of it was just about the process and showing up each day. Like, if you want to if you think your goal is to, like, summon a mountain and you wanna summon it, do you is it about the summit of the mountain and you getting there as quickly and easily as possible?
Speaker 2:And you can go to the extreme and go, well, if I wanna go to that summit, well, then I can take a helicopter. I can get up there, I guess, spend a few minutes, and then I can take a helicopter back. And so I accomplished that goal. So it's not necessarily it's not the goal. It's it's who you wanna be in the journey along the way.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. Because if it's about that and you're going through the journey and you fail and you don't summit that mountain, then do you look at your whole life existence as as a failure? Where if you can just show up and live each day in that process of being like, this is the person that I wanna be and it's not a person of being a world champ, but it was like a person of, like, if I'm what's the characteristics of a world champion? He's disciplined. So and I created my own.
Speaker 2:So he's disciplined, focused, driven, passionate, loving, caring, giving, giving back, loving Jesus, relational, strong, smart. Like, me the list can go on and on. It's like, okay. So it's not just it's not the identity of a world champion. It's the it's the it's the characteristics and the person of what a world champion is, in my view, at that time.
Speaker 2:And so if I can instill those characteristics along the way and enjoy the process, then it's fulfilling no matter what. Me finishing second, of course, I would have loved to have won, but I finished second, and I don't regret it either. Mhmm. At times, I wish I did, and I kinda, like, was frustrated. But I celebrated in it because it was an amazing journey Getting getting to that point and that day.
Speaker 2:That day was profound for me. Mhmm. Experience. And it set me up to where I am today and what I did years after that versus if I was if I did become world champion that year, my life would my life would've looked a lot different, and it would probably look a lot different today. And I'm grateful for where I'm at today.
Speaker 2:Man. So I think last thing is, like, some people talk about, like, your like, letting go of your past and forgetting your past. Your past does not define who you are or it doesn't define your future. So you kind of you can forget your past to a certain extent. You can heal from your past.
Speaker 2:And you can shoot for something in the future. But if you're shooting for something in the future, then you're just striving for that one achievement where it's really you just need to be present each day. And by being present each day, then your day is fulfilled, and, yeah, you're living the most out of it. And along the journey, it may shift. It may change where you're going, but there's never regret or failure.
Speaker 2:I think this society today, there's so much expectation around because of social media, because everything around it, it's like, if I do something, it has to be massive. If I wanna create a business, it's gotta be, like, massive. It's gotta be huge. I gotta impact, like can't impact 10 people. I gotta impact, like, 10,000 people or a 100,000 people.
Speaker 2:And is that the best process? Or can I just be focused on, like, how can I show up best in this in this conversation, this relationship, and just be focused on this? Right.
Speaker 3:Well, that's why I think that mental model that you have of what would a world champion do in this moment, you know, what would what would he eat, how would he sleep, whatever, is, it's it's really profound because it actually makes it forces you to be in the present because you're just focused on embodying that world champion mentality in that exact moment. And for me, success has always been just a feeling of my head hitting the pillow and continuing to get those moments and not give into the weaker path, like actually embodying that world champion mindset. And then if my head hits the pillow and I know that I checked all those boxes, I have faith that the score will take care of itself because I was so in the moment with that process. And I'm just continuing to iterate on those right small things that end up being big things over a long period of time.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And it's super powerful and good, and it will guide you there. The challenge is to also ask yourself, is that a doing mentality? Like, could you get caught up in that? It's not saying it's wrong.
Speaker 2:Yes. Could you get caught up in doing tasks, doing these things that I should do to be an accomplished, successful champion type person? And then it just becomes task oriented. And at the end of the day, you look at your task and go, okay. Well, I did all the things I'm supposed to, so now I can put my head on the pillow and be like, I fulfilled that day, and I did it well.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. Because it's the accomplishments and the task along the way is what guides you to where you think you wanna go and the things that you think you need to do to get there versus, like, can you just show up and be along the bay and just be who you are, and, yes, and and do the things that move you towards but not hold on to this checklist? So it's such a fine balance.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:Because success does come from driving and being disciplined to do the things that you need to do, but I'm learning more and more, like, how do you let go of some of that stuff and just show up? Mhmm. And when you show up is when it just flows, when you let go of the expectation of the day or the expectation of the year or the expectation of that event, if you can let go of it, then sometimes your best version just shows up because you're not, like, having this expectation you're carrying or this pressure. That could be totally subconscious that
Speaker 3:you're not aware of, definitely.
Speaker 2:But it still will eat at you and you have no idea. And then you wonder why it's not working. Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's crazy. It's almost like in the beginning, if you're trying to make that change, you you need to have a little bit more monotony monotony to it because we talk about nutrition a lot on this podcast. So first identifying, it's like, why do you wanna get yourself in shape and having like a north star of, you know, maybe your goal is I wanna be able to do an Ironman with my grandson or play catch with my kid or whatever that is. Like, that that's your north star. And when you're making those changes, that monotony of that checklist.
Speaker 3:But I think the goal over time to your point is, like, that just kinda becomes baked into who you are, and you're just making those right decisions, but you're not putting so much pressure on yourself. It's not so rigid.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Because it is. It's just small small new habits. Right?
Speaker 2:So it's shifting shifting your habits and shifting, the conversation you have around certain habits. So, like, with food, for example. The conversation that you have about what food means and your relationship with it and, how it can con how it can control you or how you can look at it as, like, well, if I want to if I wanna if I wanna lose a bunch of weight and look like this person, then I can look at a photo on Instagram and be like, well, I wanna look like this person. So if your your first go to is, well, to to look like that person, I know that takes a lot of discipline. And so with that discipline, it's gonna take a lot of sacrifice, and they have eat a certain way, and they have to minimize how much they eat, and they have to work really hard.
Speaker 2:They're probably training 2, 3, 4 hours a day. They're probably hardly eating anything and making these choices to eat just celery and, like, lean stuff and just choosing all the stuff. And then I go through the process and you're like, man, like, I know I could do that if I choose to, but, man, that looks too hard and too much sacrifice, and so I don't wanna choose to do it. And so then you don't even address it or you don't even look at it. You don't even look at it as an option because you've created a story that is extremely difficult.
Speaker 2:When in reality, you become world to to drive towards becoming a world champion or to drive towards accomplishing anything, it just goes down to, like you said, the small things each day. The new small habits or the new small choices that you can make each day. And when you learn to associate food as fuel and associate, like, what real fat is and the benefit of fat, or what flavor is and how we've skewed what flavor is and what's in flavor and the sugar that's attached to it. So we make choices to eat things that we think are good because of what society has told us are good, but it's actually, like, weighing us down and creating a whole another cycle of negative stuff. So it doesn't have to be that hard.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you experienced that, but it's just, like, just small habits of just making small little choices daily. It becomes like a new process. It's just you shift grabbing one thing versus grabbing something different. Well, now I don't even grab that anymore. Not because it's because I had to lay it down and I had to discipline myself to not do it, and it's a struggle to let something go.
Speaker 2:And so by saying I don't want that, you're still giving so much energy to that. Where if your new identity is like, I wanna go towards that, which is a person that eats this type of food that moves like this, that acts like this, that has energy like this, that only needs to sleep x amount of hours instead of, like, 3 more hours and wake up tired. It's like, if that's the life I want, what's the small changes that you need to make? And it's not that it's not that hard. You just gotta break the old habits Mhmm.
Speaker 2:That kept you in that cycle that you're in.
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